Electrical
From Owner's Document
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All items are generally accepted for all Husaberg models. To confirm speciffic differences check out your bike's sector at the bottom. Light yellow for 400/450, light blue for 470/501, yellow for 550/650.
[edit] Husaberg generic infoWe start with a look at the later Kokusan Ignition system and then move back in time to the SEM ignition bikes which were on bikes up to and including the '03s.
[edit] Setting the TPSTo reset the TPS on the Keihen carb the engine has to be idling at manufacture's spec - 1,800RPM. Disconnect the plug from the TPS measure the resistance across blue and black wires it should be 750 Ohms + - 25 Ohms at 20°C or 68°F. (Sparks). There are two readings to be taken, the first is often close to 750 but it's been found to be nearer 1100-1200 instead of 750 at the second (DaleO) [edit] Calibrating the electronic speedoIf you want to change WS and you Berg is enduro running a battery you need to disconnect this but there needs to be a back up battery in the speedo. Remove the head light number board and locate the three wire triangular plug, pull this apart and with a jewelers screw driver relieve the plastic tab this will allow you to remove the black wire (female plug). Now when you get up the set up menu you will now see the WS icon press the mode button until the WS starts to flash then with the - and + buttons go up and down until you get the right numbers. Punch in the numbers 1790 this is now recalibrated for 17 inch wheels.Now push the black wire back into the the plug and reconnect the battery. (Sparks) [edit] Pre '04 conversion from SEM to Kokusan ignitionHribman has done it! Follow his work on this UHE thread. [edit] How it all works - the SEM ignition systemThe stator contains two sets of coils - the trigger coil and the magneto charge coils. The charge coils put out about 10 AC cycles per engine revolution at 200VAC and this is fed to the CDI/coil unit under the tank. In this unit there is a rectifier which points all the AC pulses in the same direction to make DC at about 300V. This DC is fed across a capacitor of about 1 microfarad which stores the charge like a tiny battery. When the crank gets to a pre-detemined position (set by "timing" the engine) the trigger coil puts out its only pulse per revolution at up to about 20V to the CDI unit. In the CDI there is an analogue timing circuit (note; it is rarely a microprocessor in magneto systems) that puts out the signal to fire the plug a time (ie number of engine degrees) after the trigger coil fires. The change in lag time of the timer is what gives the spark advance curve. The amount of time this lag happens (ie the function or "curve" of engine speed versus spark timing) is dependent on engine speed and the electronics in the timer circuit. I imagine that different CDI units could have different spark timing curves. You would probably want different spark curves between the 400cc and the 600CC bikes of the same year. Some models of bike have a switch on the handlebar which gives you the option of two different spark curves. Anyway, when the timer puts out the signal to spark, it triggers (or switches on really really fast) a Silicon Controlled Rectifier (SCR) to dump the entire 300V stored in the capacitor through the primary winding of the ignition coil. This causes a very fast rise: a 30,000V spike in the secondary winding which goes straight to the spark plug to create the spark.
After the capacitor is discharged the SCR switches off and the capacitor recharges ready for the next revolution. What does come from this is that a spark IS a spark, but it's the timing with the crankshaft that's just as important. I suspect that using a different CDI/coil unit from original will change this timing as the spark advance curve is "built into" the CDI electronics. It takes better people than I to know wether this is a good or bad thing. (Brad/Bundybear) The pulse that generates the spark is initially supplied from your generator. In a nutshell - two coils provide the power level A, the third coil is power level B, all in one revolution of your motor. The ignition module monitors the difference and uses the generated power of power level A to create a spark. So the engines own revolution determines at which point the spark is created - Not the ignition module - hence IMHO many of them should be compatible. (Ady) It's the difference in the generated voltages in the primary coils that is monitored by the ignition module. For example if there is 3 primary coils on the stator, as the engine spins the magnet over the coils. coil 1 may produce 2v. coil 2 may then produce 2v, coil 3 however may produce 5v. That would then be one full rotation of the flyweel. The difference in voltages is picked up by the micro-processor in the ignition module which then sends a small signal to the capacitor which draws the power from primary coil 1 (2v) and primary coil 2 (2v) then discharges its high amperage ac load to a step-up transformer which gets all excited and charged up only for it all to happen again so it then has to discharge all that voltage down to the nearest earth - your spark plug. The cycle has began again. The only moderating thing is the timer circuit you describe, that is purely used to synchronize the time of the spark to create even distribution. (Ady) Early (small coil) SEM ignition systems were analogue. The ignition curve was simply a product of rpm. Increase rpm and the trigger signal is generated earlier and consequently: "ignition advance". Second generation SEM systems (ie Digital Force) had two independent curves based entirely upon engine rpm and handlebar switch location. SEM solid state hardware be it digital and / or analogue is contained in the coil housing. [edit] SEM BasicsRPM dependant capacitor charge voltage generated by the ignition charge winding located in the stator (usually between 30 and 300 volts DC) is stored in the coil housing capacitor. A thyristor awaits a pre determined voltage signal from the ignition trigger winding also located in the stator. Once minimum trigger voltage is met the thyristor releases the stored capacitor charge via the ignition coil primary windings. Said charge is stepped up to 30K volts (plus/minus) via the ignition coil secondary windings.
The capacitor charge coil provides a wide range of voltage levels (rpm dependant). During cranking said voltage is well below 100. However, enough to boost the ignition jumping a 1.5 mm plug gap in open atmosphere. Trigger voltage levels also vary considerably with rpm. Most often the minimum trigger threshold has proven to be in the neighborhood of 3.5 volts. Unfortunately, many "New" SEM stator units will not provide said minimum trigger voltage during electric start as rpm is too low. Hence the SEM equipped Husabereg which will boot start yet fails the "E" start test. I once used a stun gun generator to pre charge the capacitor as I was first under the impression ignition output during cranking was insufficient. What I learned was trigger threshold output was the culprit, not lack of secondary voltage. (Lineaweaver)
[edit] How to start it?If only we could gaurantee this for you! In the meantime though; here are some hints!. There are many things to try, another one is the Taff's Crescent Mod on the kickstart mechanism. This gives a longer kick. [edit] Plug capDespite the service book recommending a new cap regularly, few owners bother yet often struggle to start their machines...say no more! Silicon both ends of the HT lead where both sleeves go over either the cap or plug.
[edit] Yuasa YTZ7S conversionThe YTZ7S batteries are 6 amp with cold crank of 130, the original YTX5L-BS is 4 amp with a cold crank of 70 (yoshie). Use an Optimate battery charger (see handy tools). All kinds of prices are banded about but have look at this UHE thread for the pitfalls of the conversion. The YTZ7S is a new-generation Gell-Cell battery and is the same size as the YTX5L-BS. [edit] Second battery
[edit] Second earthFor '03 a second earth was fitted from the battery earthing to the frame. This is a back cure for SEMs and not a forward cure for the '04 models onwards. [edit] Orange kill wire from statorThe wire feeds straight from the charging coils and carries a fair bit of voltage. Bundy foud out as usual. [edit] Wiring-removeMiles of wiring can be removed including the ugly wiring down near the starter relay and battery. There is a lack of lugs around the headstock from which to support the wiring harness, so use extra large cable ties for support. Hours can be spent re-routing the wiring harness for a good clear run but it is woorth the effort as good wiring also looks better. [edit] RegulatorGets covered in mud. At a stretch and with an extension to the wiring, it can be moved to under the seat and relocated to the central bolt, this was standard for the last SEM year (2003). [edit] Remove the ignition barrelThis can be done when they become faulty or get knocked about in a fall. here [edit] Flywheel marks wrongUsing the 'dead stop' method I found the marks to be out. It changed the bike! Read this UHE thread.
[edit] ConnectionsRub them over with scotchbrite/scouring pad, then dry before connecting with a splodge of silicon in. [edit] HeadlampUpgrade (Brad): Reflector from a '92-'96 TE Husky, it takes a H4 halogen 55/60 watt bulb. [edit] Removing the starter systemThis is very easy and takes just an hour. Buy an alloy bung from your Husaberg dealer to fill the hole left by the starter when you remove it and the solenoid. Disconnect the two leads, remove the battery and all mounts etc, disconnect the solenoid wires and that is it! Despite the rumours, the bike will still stop on the kill switch or ignition key. See how to run without a battery on this UHE thread.
[edit] Weak starting?This can always be a problem but it was mainly with the SEM ignitioned bikes that we struggled. Things were 'beefed' up for '03, the last SEM year. This is some number crunching and stats. Another member has discovered that the wires to and from the battery terminals are not good enough: I can finally 'one-kick' it but I never have too. 8-gauge wiring from the negative terminal to frame, and from the negative to engine, 6-gauge from the positive terminal to the solenoid and then to starter. I have turned the engine over 100 times (separate short cycles) without having to put the battery on a charger once. In the past I kept it on the charger and had to wait between tests for it to give me another try or two" (Unomecin). Read it the UHE thread here. Go to Poor starting or Engine upgrades for more detail.
[edit] TaillightThere's no need to go acerbis now. The '06 tail assembly will fit straight on. [edit] HeadlightOnly the OEM has the correct "cut-off" for your side of the road. All after markets have a flat low beam. [edit] Spark plugTry a "Brisk" BOR12LGS. "Pokenhood" reports a 2hp increase! However I hear that after a fall they can be hard to re-start. My new Brisk failed to even start the bike... Some recommended quality plugs. Nippon's Iridium IXU24 and NGK's DCPR8EVX tested here. I went with the IXU24 and it really helped the bike to start. A well carburated bike which might be correctly (read: leaner than delivered but still CORRECT!) will see one of these expensive plugs last 3-4 years plus of racing, trailing etc. OEM jetting is generally on the rich side and so a fresh plug every year to be safe wouldn't go amiss as the OEM mixture of rich starting and heat in the upper revs really kills plugs.
[edit] Ignition timingUse a strobe with a timing adjustment knob. Set the timing so that the line on the flywheel meets the mark in the spy-hole using the adjustment knob. Half this figure is your advance. I.e. 72° that means it is 36° advanced (Lineaweaver). See this UHE thread Find your models advance settings here: 400/450 470/501 550/650 [edit] Ignition cover - defeat water ingestion!Wiring tube splits-plastic is brittle so the tube should be replaced, the wires can be fed through one at a time using some welding rod a s a 'rodder' or lockwire. "Shepherds crook" the tube over to stop water entering and silicon and zip tie both ends. Feed the cable around the back of starter motor or close to the oil filter. To stop getting moisture in: silicon sidecover on and then don't remove. Also drill a hole in crankcase from underneath, this should be 6mm OD and done at the back of the flywheel housing. This will help it self-dry. I used to fit loose split pin to keep the hole 'clear' but it's not necassary and the hole is never bunged up! A running engine will push the water out if it ever got in. Cover the stator and flywheel weights in petroleum jelly, this stops rust. [edit] FuseboxChange to a "staple" type fuse as the clip in type come loose and blow a fuse. [edit] To run DC - no batteryA tremendous in-depth look on this thread with great input from Bundybear. Go Bundy! It's possible to run the bike without the battery and all is easy to remove. Remember to disconnect the orange wire at the cdi/coil if the ignition system is ok then it should produce a spark (Sparks). [edit] Positive HT leadsSplit open in red. Replace with '03+ plasticoated clear wiring. [edit] MX (470) - weaker sparkMX Husabergs had stators without lighting coils, ie slimmer, and if the spacers were not fitted they would run but had a much weaker spark. (NTB racing)
[edit] Radiator fanAll '06s now have the facility to fit a fan so all parts to do the job 'dead proper' will now be available, however we used to bodge it ourselves! This is cool! [edit] The high/low storyTechnically, the book says that one should use "HI" when starting (Parsko). When flicking the switch with the strobe working, you can see the flywheel visibly at a totally different point at tickover. I dyno'd the two settings and despite the broshure blurb that the difference was only at low revs, i can report that in LO I gained at the bottom and lost at the top: the opposite of the HI position.
[edit] The STATOR a greek epic of colossal proportions![edit] Stator/ignitionNo spark. Stators can lose varnish, go rusty, split and crack open and finally die sometimes. You're lucky or you're not! I had my first for 4-years and only changed the flywheel, the stator lasted 4 1/2. It's heat related (Lineaweaver). Check out this UHE thread. [edit] IgnitionSee this very good UHE Forum thread about the SEM ignition: Replace the SEM no more! [edit] Stator wiringIs as follows: yellow into a double red, second yellow into a red/white, light blue into a brown, black into black and green into green. [edit] Stator repairRepaired at reasonable cost!. See this UHE thread for a fella who repairs them!
[edit] KTM and other stator correlationCarbonone ordered the KTM part number 580.31.002.050 from his local dealer for $160 and it fitted straight in with no modification. This is the part # for a KTM LC4 and will work on all '98 and prior bikes. Make sure the black to green measures 23 Ohms as some of the last models measured 165 Ohms. Anything from '99 to '03 will have to be from Husaberg, the SEM stator for these years was a one off and wasn't fitted to anything else. [edit] Stator test figures
All measured at 20°C and all + - 10% [edit] The plastic coating
The Stator will continue to work minus the wrapper. For many years I had both stator and flywheel ryogenically treated. Said treatment improved low rpm spark output via a reduction in fine wire resistance. Unfortunately the "deep freeze" caused severe cracking making the end user a bit uncomfortable (Lineaweaver). [edit] The flywheel
[edit] Three phase regulator rectifierSome bikes came with this rare combo for Supermoto with a SEM. Here is one with problems.
[edit] Measuring the resistanceThe spec is less than 1 ohm between the blue wire and the 2 yellow wires when the yellow wires are connected in parallel (together). I measured 0.8 ohm between the blue wire and the 2 yellow wires when the yellow wires are connected in parallel (together). I measured 1.2 to 1.3 ohms between the 2 yellow wires, and 0.9 ohms between each individual yellow wire and the blue wire. The yellow and blue wires were all insulated from the stator laminations over 20 meg ohms. These were measured with the stator out of the bike on the bench, using an inexpensive digital multimeter. The black to red and black to green are the ones that make the bike run. The yellow and blue are the ones that charge the battery and make the lights work. Red to Black should be 3000 Ohm +-300 Ohm., measured at the connector on the stator. You should install it however long enough to kick the engine over while measuring the Red to Black AC voltage (preferably with a peak hold type of DVM). The voltage should be 35 VAC nominal, hopefully not less than 30 volts.., My Berg would not start at 24.9 VAC, when I used the e-start with the spark plug removed. (JoeUSA) If you have a multimeter check for up to 14 volts AC beween blue and yellow charge wires with it running. Disconnect rectifier do same check - should get up to 20V AC. Check connections from stator to the rectifier. Check for up to 14V DC coming out of rectifier. It is possible your regulator has died shorted out. Disconnect it and repeat this check. Check wiring from rectifier to battery. If the system is charging you should see about 14.1V DC or so across the battery with it running. These bikes must not ever charge properly from new as less than 13.8V will never bring a battery up to full charge!!!! Less than 13V will barely charge the battery if it was flat. I modified mine to give 14.1V or so. Typical carbon plug leads have a resistance of 10k ohms per foot of length and the same for the cap. (Bundybear/Brad)
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